Propellerhead Reason 6

The hugely anticipated Reason 4 was announced by (the very secretive) Propellerhead Software … oh boy, this took me by surprise :O

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Now that you’ve just read the headline, you might ask yourself So, what is new? Here we go …

THOR – The Polysonic Synthesizer

As you already know Propellerheads presented Thor at 2007 Winter NAMM Show. Thor is a modular synthesizer and sounds like nothing you’ve ever heard before by featuring six different oscillator types and four unique filters.

Mr. James Bernard presets us the THOR:

Reason 4 - THOR Modular Synthesizer

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RPG-8 – Monophonic Arpeggiator

The RPG-8 is a brand new unit dedicated to the art of arpeggio and has some unique and advanced features too: a pattern section for muting selected notes in an arpeggio, a large display showing values and positions, Single Note Repeat can add sudden bursts of arpeggio etc. Only in Reason 4 you can arpeggiate your breakbeats, your orchestra samples, or your vocals with RPG-8! Very easy to use, yet deceptively powerful, the RPG-8 provides endless creative possibilities for each of Reason’s sound sources.

Learn how to RPG-8 with James Bernard:

Reason 4 - RPG-8 Monophonic Arpeggiator

RPG-8 audio demos:
[audio:reason-rpg-8-peggio-confusion.mp3,reason-rpg-8-stevie-arpeggio.mp3,reason-rpg-8-trancing-boys-room.mp3]

Although it is very user friendly, the RPG-8 has some very advanced features like the Single Note Repeat. This new function starts the arpeggiator only when two or more simultaneous notes are held down, thus letting you add sudden bursts of arpeggio to your melody lines.

ReGroove Mixer – Real Time Groove Console

This unique tool is great if you want your music to sound less rigid, less programmed. ReGroove Mixer applies its timing magic non-destructively and in real-time, giving you freedom to adjust its settings – and fine-tune your groove – as your music is playing. This unique device will become the favorite tool for many Reason users, since the drums are a very important part of most songs. But this device is not only for drums, the ReGroove Mixer allows you to apply different settings to up to 32 musical elements in your song, for ultimate control like the groove amount, slide and shuffle and other detailed settings. Also in the new Reason sound-bank you’ll find a great selection of groove patches, many of them created from analyzed recordings of real musicians as well as classic groovy tracks.

Watch the ReGroove Mixer appetizer:

Reason 4 - ReGroove Mixer

ReGrove preseted by NYC music producer Stoni


So, who’s Stoni? More: Stony on Myspace, Stoni and PreSonus.

Advanced Sequencer

The new advanced sequencer is a long time request from Reason users. The work-flow is hugely improved by the new sequencer that is swifter, stronger and more intuitive than ever.


Reason 4 - The Sequencer - Overview
Reason 4 - The Sequencer - Edit Mode

The new sequencer was recoded from scratch and brings a whole new look, a ton of fresh features and a completely new way of handling sequencer data. Now every device or instrument now gets its own dedicated track, with separate lanes for note, performance and automation data. New also is the fact that the sequencer data (notes, automation, the works) is now housed in clips, musical building blocks that can be opened, sliced or moved. When a clip is moved to a new location, all its internal data follows right along with it, always ending up exactly where you intended it to. Very nice!

Multiple Language flavors

Now, when you install Reason 4, you can choose between four different language versions: English, French, German or Japanese.

Factory Sound Bank Updated

The Factory Sound Bank contain presets for all devices in Reason 4. This is expected when new devices are available and the additions are: Thor patches, more Combinator patches, including arpeggio-driven patches using the RPG-8 arpeggiator, Groove files for ReGroove, new ReDrum drum patches, Song starters etc. Also, starting in this version, the FSB will contain Signature Patches of world’s leading synthesists and sound developers for Thor.

Tool Window

Ooh … nice one! This is a floating window containing all your most frequently used tools. Using it, you can create new devices by choosing from a device palette, fine tune your sequencer data from the Tools pane, or set groove parameters using the groove pane.
Reason 4 - The Tools Window

Combinator & NN-XT updates

The Combinator and NN-XT devices have both had minor revisions to make programming patches easier and more powerful.

The NN-XT has new features to edit multiple samples simultaneously, to chromatically auto-map samples.

The Combinator now has a transpose function that transposes notes sent to a device. Long awaited by me and many other reason users that also like to create their own Combinator instruments are the additions of more flexible choice of Sources in the programmer and a function to automate the receive notes option, making it possible to switch between instruments in a Combinator patch. That’s a very, very nice and welcomed addition!

Reason 4.0.1 Update

Propellerhead Reason 4 ships from now on with Reason 4.0.1 update. This is a maintenance update that resolves a some minor issues and, as a response to user feedback received for Reason 4 also brings some small work-flow features … Below you find the release notes regarding this update:

Reason 4.0.1 update features:
General

  • More tolerant error handling when loading custom fonts.
  • Selected installer language was not used when upgrading from 3.0, this is now fixed.
  • We have improved the error handling when copying Remote maps and codecs during start up.
  • All sample players (NN-XT, NN-19, Dr Rex and Redrum) – High Quality Interpolation is now enabled by default.
  • Improved handling of mono/stereo connections while auto-routing.
  • Dragging devices to the rack from the tool window only worked with the top-most window, now it works with any window.
  • More robust error handling during startup, avoiding certain timing problems in Windows.

Sequencer

  • Automation type for Dr Rex transpose parameter was continuous – changed this to stepped.
  • In certain situations Command-A did not work properly on Mac OS X.
  • Notes with same Start or End position could change the play/stop order randomly. This could only be noticed while playing chords on a monophonic device. This is now fixed.
  • Fixed note trig queuing for extremely short notes. This was causing phased effects when doubling clips exactly on two layers.
  • “Reset automation override” could default to wrong value.
  • Pressing Stop the second time moves the song position locator to previous start position, it could sometime move to song start if the locator had been repositioned during playback.
  • MIDI import of file with redundant note information is now filtered.
  • Uncombining a Combinator deleted the Combinator’s sequencer track. This is now fixed.
  • Reason could take a long time to respond when entering extreme numbers in position editors.
  • Overriding parameter automation by loading a patch did not always indicate automation override. Now fixed.

Improved workflow in sequencer

  • If a clip is selected in Arrange mode and you switch to Edit mode, the clip is automatically opened for editing. This only happens if the clip is on the current track.
  • You can press [Esc] to close an open clip in Edit mode. If the clip was opened from Arrange mode, this will automatically switch the sequencer back to Arrange mode.
  • Only one single clip is created in loop record mode. Before, a new clip was created for every new loop.
  • Changed Zoom behavior: The program now zooms on the song position locator if it’s in view. If not, it zooms towards the left edge of the current view.
  • Drag and drop now also works in left-handed mouse configurations.
  • Text-entry of a tempo with a decimal in the transport panel or when editing the static value was counter-intuitive: Typing something like ‘120.5’ or ‘120.05’ delivered 120.005. This is now fixed.
  • Added label to velocity and pattern lanes.

Remote – support added for:

  • Akai MPD24
  • Akai MPD32
  • Akai MPK49
  • Edirol PCR-300/500/800
  • Frontier Design Group Alpha Track
  • Line 6 KB37
  • M-audio ProjectMix I/O
  • M-audio Axiom 25/49/61
  • M-audio Oxygen 8 v2
  • Fixed a performance problem with the Remote Override “learn” feature.

Browser

  • Performance problem when having many ReFills installed.
  • Reason could crash when saving if there was more than 300 ReFills installed -fixed.
  • Better error handling while file searching in browser.
  • Broken search for missing sounds in songs created with OS hide extensions enabled – fixed.
  • Changed wording of memory usage in patch browser to avoid confusion.
  • Saving patches in Reason version 4 and ReFill packer had a backward compatibility issue – fixed.
  • Sometime the static value was not imported correctly when loading old songs – fixed.
  • If an opened patch or sample had been moved or deleted while Reason was running this could prevent the user from saving the song – fixed.
  • Reason could in certain cases unexpectedly quit when saving on Mac OS X – fixed.

Combinator

  • If many devices in a Combinator were programmed to switch “Receive notes” on/off in the Combinator’s programmer, some devices responded slower than other devices. This is now fixed.

Malström

  • Increased the buffer size of Malström’s Comb filter, this fixed problems with high sample rates.

RPG-8

  • Fixed velocity CV and knob/automation lag when in random mode.
  • Fixed broken velocity change of tied single note when in ON-mode.
  • “Render Arpeggio To Track” was broken when pattern automation lane was enabled.
  • New shortcuts: Shift pattern right: Ctrl + J (Win) or Cmd + J (Mac) Shift pattern left: Ctrl + K (Win) or Cmd + K (Mac) Random sequencer pattern: Ctrl +R (Win) or Cmd + R (Mac) Alter Pattern: Ctrl + T (Win) or Cmd + T (Mac)

Thor
Thor’s sequencer has now new shortcuts:

  • Shift sequencer pattern right: Ctrl + J (Win) or Cmd + J (Mac)
  • Shift sequencer pattern left: Ctrl + K (Win) or Cmd + K (Mac)
  • Randomize pattern: Ctrl +R (Win) or Cmd + R (Mac)

Audio Card

  • Reason could go silent if the sample rate was changed in Windows Vista or on an aggregated audio card driver in Mac OS X. This is now fixed.

ReWire

  • Fixed a ReWire problem with FL Studio, making it more robust.
  • Made Ableton Live and Reason ReWire connection more robust.

As you know Propellerhead Software rarely released a second fix update for their products, because they test their application so extensively that one update includes a fix for all the unexpected problems. For this reason, Reason (nice words play) is a very stable and you might expect that Reason 4.0.1 is the only maintenance update fro Reason 4. Every company should program their software the way Propellerhead does!

System requirements

Propellerhead Software assured us that although Reason 4 is full of new and advanced technology, it is still low on current CPUs, as always.

Windows:

  • Windows XP or Vista
  • Processor: Intel P4 / AMD Athlon XP or better
  • Memory: 512 MB RAM minimum, 1 GB recommended
  • Screen resolution: 1024×768
  • 2 GB free hard disk space
  • DVD reader
  • 16-bit windows compatible audio card, preferably with DirectX or ASIO drivers

Mac OS:

  • Mac OS X 10.4
  • Processor: G4 1GHz and up or Intel Mac
  • Memory: 512 MB RAM minimum, 1 GB recommended
  • Screen resolution: 1024×768
  • 2 GB free hard disk space
  • DVD reader

Recommended: MIDI keyboard with built-in MIDI interface, or MIDI keyboard and MIDI interface;

More information

This is one of the most substantial upgrade for a software ever … with all these great new features and Reason 4 is a major HIT!
1. There is no release date set for Reason 4. Reason 4 entered beta testing on 19 June 2007 and testing will continue until all bugs have been fixed. After all bugs are fixed Reason 4 will be released!
2. The price for the full version of Reason remains the same at EUR449 / USD 499. There is also a discounted upgrade available for owners of previous versions of Reason. The upgrade is only EUR 99 / USD 129!.
3. If you have purchased Reason new after June 1st 2007, hold on to your receipt and when Reason 4 is out you’ll get a free upgrade. How cool is that!

Propellerheads Reason 4 can be purchased from retailers worldwide and Propellerheads online store, the PropShop. MSRP pricing for Reason version 4 is EUR €449 / USD $499.
Reason 4 - Components

Page updates:
22 February 2011 – page revision + more info
5 February 2008 – new info about Reason 4.0.1 update
3 Octomber 2007 – update with more info and new videos

Published by Andrei Olaru

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97 thoughts on “Propellerhead Reason 6

  1. Why would anyone spend US$ 500 on Reason when you can get much more advanced audio apps like Cubase SE3 for less than half that price? This may please Reason fanboys but ultimately Reason 4 is not very competitive versus apps in the same price range such as Cubase Studio, Logic Express, Live etc. Reason had some advantages (stability, low cpu usage) in the past but these no longer apply to today’s market.

  2. Why? There are lots of reasons … If you already own Cubase, Logic or/and Live then you could see Reason as a complementary application. Think, for $500 you get 10 unique instruments, over 20 effects units and many others, not to mention the thousands of high quality sounds etc. I think there is no other audio product in this rage that offers so much. Also you’ll get the full version, not LE, Express, SE, Lite etc.

    Also there is a matter of taste. If you are already pro, you may want something new and fresh, that si stable and come with gazillion of sounds and users generated content. If you are a beginner, you may want something to learn fast, not something that has menus and sub menus for a simple instrument overview. And as you get more experienced you realize that there are many possibilities in Reason 4 that no other audio software can achieve.

    The only somewhat of competitor for Reason could be Live 6, but this is for different use. Although Reason moves more and more into the Live territory, while for Live there’s no change to take something from Reason territory.

    I think Reason is a powerful tool, not meant to compete with the likes of Cubase, Logic, Sonar or DP, but more to complete these applications …

  3. I disagree with your comments about value. For $400 Cubase Studio 4 comes with 47 plugins. Logic Express gives you 6 synths and 40 effects plugins for only $300. Also, saying that Reason is the full version and not a “lite” version is meaningless. The difference between the full and lite versions of products like Logic are features such as Dolby surrround sound mixing which the average user isn’t going to need and don’t come with Reason anyway.

    If you use Reason to “complete” other sequencers then it’s still not competitive value for money. Reaktor 5 costs $120 less than Reason and will give you 37 plugins to add to your sequencer. Plus, using Reaktor you can build your own synths, effects, step sequencers and so on and download plugins that others have made.

    As for Reason offering possibilities that no other software can achieve, that is completely untrue. Fully modular environments like Reaktor and Synthedit give the ultimate in flexibility and creative scope.

  4. OK, you are right in a way that Cubase, Logic or Sonar come with some pre-installed plugins, but can you combine/chain them to create super instruments or super effects just like Combinator does (and I’m referring mainly to the way you can assign multiple functions to one button)? Also does any have something similar to CV system from Reason?

    And you are right again that in Reaktor 5 or Synthedit you create something much more complex and different then what Combinator can. But Reaktor or Synthedit is not a DAW or sequencer.

    Of course combining Cubase with Reaktor can give you something more powerful than Reason, but it’s also a lot more complex, a lot more time consuming and also more expensive and you’ll still have no CV system and others (such as the Reason Sounds Browser or ReMote etc.)

    I’m not saying that Reason is better, I’m saying that Reason is something truly unique that offers features from both worlds and some more.

  5. magnetik,

    Your arguments make little sense to me. You suggest that Reason is not a good value – that Logic Express gives you the same ability, but then abruptly suggest Reaktor and Synthedit would also be required to match Reasons possibilities which suddenly means hundreds of additional dollars.

    Reason provides a great and unique set of tools that ARE unparalleled and it does so more economically than other products.

    I personally have found Cubase an awkward tool, one that slows my process.

  6. No, I never suggested that you need Reaktor to make Logic or Cubase match Reason, far from it. Logic Express / Cubase Studio 4 are already more than a match for Reason, in fact they far surpass it.

    I only mentioned Reaktor to point out that any claim about Reason having more possibilities than any other software is just pain untrue, and that if you’re buying Reason as a cheap way to add lots of plugins to another sequencer then Reaktor is more cost effective and flexible.

    As for economy, yes Reason requires cpu than other sequencers. That may have been an advantage a few years ago but these days you can buy a super fast dual-core machine for a pittance. Reason’s past advantages (such as light cpu usage, stability) no longer apply to today’s market.

  7. magnetik,

    I think you might need to go back and read your post again.

    What synth’s and samplers are provided with Logic/Cubase?

    As for the “pittance”, well, apparently you are either wealthy or have very low expectations for your hardware.

    And, again, Reason provides a better user experience for me, period, which is invaluable.

  8. Bundled plugins are show on the respective websites:

    http://www.apple.com/logicexpress/specs.html
    http://www.steinberg.net/1018M52087573ab0.html
    http://www.steinberg.net/1017M52087573ab0.html

    And if those aren’t to your liking there are tons of VSTs that you can get either free or for as little as $10. Take a look at KarmaFX for example (http://www.karmafx.net)

    You can buy a dual core HP machine for $450. That’s less than the cost of a copy of Reason.

    User experience is subjective. Most producers I know who use more than one sequencer find Reason cumbersome.

  9. The links you sent to suggest the provided synths and samplers are weaker and less varied than Reasons.

    Yes, you CAN buy a dual core HP box for $450, but the cost is neither a pittance and the machine will be sub par.

    And surely someone who can find a dual core HP box for $450, would know that you can purchase reason almost ANYWHERE for $399.

    User experience is subjective. So is anecdotal evidence – most musicians I know who use more than one sequencer find Reason a delight.

  10. Well as I said, if you don’t like the bundled synths you can install others either free or extremely cheaply. For example:

    http://gersic.com/plugins/index.php?daCat=-6
    http://free-plugin-list.com/?mode=cat&show_cat=1

    Those two sites show just a few of literally hundreds of free quality plugins.

    Cubase runs comfortably on my 3 year old AMD 2700 machine. A $450 core2duo HP box is an absolute dream machine by comparison, hardly “sub-par”.

  11. I’ve been hearing all these arguments about Reason for years, and I’m lucky enough to be able to afford any music software out there. In fact, I have Cubase, I have Logic Pro, I have Live 6, I have Digital Performer. I have Reaktor, Absynth, Kontakt.

    And what do I keep coming back to, again and again?

    Reason.

    Sure, it’s not perfect. Do I get frustrated I can’t use my favorite plug-ins on it? Sure. Would I like a better sequencer sometimes? Sure.

    But if I just want to get all the crap out of the way and just worry about writing music, there is nothing better, period. if you go down the list and break things down into individual pieces, sure, you can pick apart Reason. But nothing else puts the whole package together better; nothing else is the *musical instrument* that Reason is.

    And maybe if you’re one of the very few who can afford to do music full-time, you can afford to spend time on the ridiculous learning curves of Logic or Reaktor. But a huge practical advantage of Reason for many people who want to do music in their precious spare time is that the learning curve is much less painful. That may not mean much to the full-time “pro,” but it means a lot to everyone else.

  12. [quote comment=”2033″]

    And what do I keep coming back to, again and again?
    Reason.
    Sure, it’s not perfect.
    But if I just want to get all the crap out of the way and just worry about writing music, there is nothing better, period. [/quote]

    I fully agree with this vision, and its’ right about what Reason (3.0) as a matter of fact is.
    Although I use Logic Audio as my main sequenser, I use Reason as a fast working ‘music-arranging’ tool.
    I poor Reason sounds track per track in WAV, eventually replacing instruments by VST’s in my Logic and finally mix there.
    I think the best way to deal with Reason is to see it as an additional tool besides your main DAW.
    The only things I miss in Reason is the possibility to record audio and a Logic like event-list editor.
    Is this the case with 4.0 ? (didnt check out yet) Personally, I think 399€ would be a better price…

  13. I read an article once that put it in perspective. Reason is like a Snickers bar. Yes, it satisfies, but in the end they are empty calories. Reason is not a DAW. Comparing it to Cubase, Live, etc. is an apples-oranges affair.

    There are those that will argue. Fine. Argue. Then try to record some live audio into Reason. Oh.. can’t? Hmm.

    Not a DAW. Nice eye-candy (ooh.. the wires jiggle.. ), some interesting sounds, but not a DAW.

    Let the Holy Wars begin.

  14. Mentioning Logic and getting a cheap HP machine is ilogical. You have to have a MAC to run logic now since Apple bought Emagic. So, coming from someone who also can have anything they want as far as softwares and hardwares go Reason in my most unbiased opinion is simply amazing. I am a musician and the speed of getting an idea out of my head and onto a media it’s unsurpassed. I Stand by reason and I can’t wait for the new version. I have put many a track on vinyl using it totally by itself. I do my vocals in Melodyne and throw it all into reason afterwards. Really it’s irrelevant what you use as long as you know how to use it. You can have all the plug-ins you like and still not know what to do with them. Plus it’s about it’s ease of use. For those of us that came from the gear days it’s familiar and shortens the learning curve. The idea of the entire software being self contained is key. So, I’m not impressed by your plug-ins and DAW(gs). Did I mention ease of use? 😉

  15. Ha, great discussion this is!

    Logic = intelligent
    Reason = smart

    Logic = cluttered
    Reason = 1 rack

    VST Synthogy Ivory = engineered pianos
    Refill Pianos = producer pianos

    VST GPO = kontakt – player grrr
    Refill GPO = instant Combi’s, solo / section switching

    It’s all good! It’s about the “workflow” … that works for you 🙂

    But hey, logic 8 will be the best DAW ever….. maybe we will know on the 5th sept? Still need notation view…..

    Apple = No communication to Pro users; even Garageband users are served first this year
    Propellerhead = online countdown to next big update

    Bye

  16. come on guys are you all forgetting the reason why you use all these programs ?we are in it to make music and music is the most powerful thing it beats all these programs hands down no matter what you use its coming up with the ideas that matter as long as you can get them down you can have all the synths and software in the world but its the final cut that counts and i think reason is a simple program that cuts all the bull s$^%t out and just lets you get on with the music

    DONT BE A GEEK AND DONT FORGET ABOUT THE MUSIC

  17. So Logic 8 Pro has just been released. And a copy of the full version is now the same RRP as Reason – US$500. To me that really shows that Props aren’t in touch with the state of the market. Reason should be around the $200 mark to be competitive.

  18. If you know how to use your programs then all mentioned are good,some do certain things better than others,and some parts of the writing process are more easily done in one program vs another (at least for me). I use Logic as my main platform ,initially get ideas down in Reason(as well as crazy chaining to get surprise results), use Ableton Live for performance,and other softsynths such as Absyth and Minimonsta for the type of soundscapes they offer–all argumenents about one vs another blah blah blah are whack, or should I say where can I buy your album?

  19. It is certainly true that different people have different learning styles, so it stands to reason (no pun) that different products will appeal. For a given individual, it makes sense that Reason or Logic would represent a better value. This is why speaking in such derisive generalities is pointless and borderline insulting.

    Interesting that it also seems to have derailed any real discussion of Reason 4, which, in theory, is the point of this thread.

  20. The new additions to Reason sound outstanding,and definitely help make Reason a more appealling platform (Can’t wait for the Regroove Mixer-talk about getting grooves out fast!). To me the most appealing features of Reason is how fast and intuitive the writing process is. For me this is probably because it functions and looks like vintage gear,(without wiring headaches) My main concerns with Reason 3 have been centered around the sound– it seems to me that you have to really process sounds within Reason to get things “punched up ” , and I have questions about the mixer–it seems to affect the clarity and dynamics of the sound inputted. I prefer to route things straight out to Logic. Is it true that the algorithims used for sound processing in Reason are not as “good” as those in Logic for example?(or am I imagining this) -any comments? Maybe this is improved upon under the hood of Reason 4. I do think that Propellereheads are going to have to seriously consider dropping the price of Reason(along with just about every other workstation producer) considering what Apple has just done though with their pricing of Logic Studio ( A very calculated move on their part to corner the DAW market–and probably more importantly sell more Mac’s)

  21. This has been a very interesting thread to say the least. To get right to the point, I have been using Reason for about 4 years now and have self-taught myself how to use this program as a complete music production tool. If I need vocals I would record dubs from a microphone setup or dub something out on the tables, use recycle and have my vocals in Reason itself, that way for me, it was easier to create whole tracks in Reason, which is much different that using all this different VST’s with cubase. I think Reason 4.0 has began to really look at sound production management in a whole new light, meaning that “Thor” can be used to really work on your sounds and really create exactly what you are looking for… The end result is to get something that mimics “your sound” and that is what your music should be about. I use reason because I just decided to go with one, learn it and keep working on my sound in the process. I could have bought another one of these programs and came up with the same thing “my sound.” A very successful producer once said “When you go with a program, stick with the program, learn the program and create your sound, if you don’t like it or you are not impressed with what you hear, maybe that program is not for you.” I did that and Reason just happened to work for me and I was able to do what I needed to do in order to get things done. I’m looking foward to Reason 4.0 and the new device “Thor”, it will help me take “my sound” to a different, more creative level and hopefully that will reflect in my trax. What I am really curious about is the sample refill packs that will come out for Thor….It’s very key to get good sampling refills for reason and there are a lot of them out there..zero gravity, masterloops, reason refills etc. etc. So hopefully there will be quality sample refills for all genres of music…And mose especially for me Drum n’ Bass.

    Peace

  22. im gonna use open labs niko with Reasons rewire through protools and that will truly be a sight 2 see. Plus i can take any Vst From any software
    and add it through the Niko

  23. I’ve been producing Electronic music for about 6 years now. I’ve used Cubase, Live, FL Studio, and my fare share of VST Plug-Ins. I would have to say that out of all these programs, the user friendliest, the quickest, and the only one that I’ve really enjoyed working with is:……..nothing less than Reason! Music making is like creative writing, you have to catch the ideas right away and put them down so you can remember them when your mood strikes. I can only do that with Reason. Some people complaint about quality of sound, not able to record live audio into it, can’t use plug-Ins with it. The truth is, Reason was made for everybody, but specially for those who don’t have any instruments or other expensive equipment. Reason in itself is an instrument. It’s easy to get into it, but can also be very complex and in-Depth if that’s what you want. Quality of sound comes only when you put effort into your music, Reason may sound very flat with its default settings and sounds, but it can be rich and beautiful after tweaking its delays, reverbs, compressors, and modulation. After all that’s what music is all about, experimenting, tweaking and finding your own sound, that’s why the Combinator is a beautiful thing. Recording audio into Reason is not possible directly, but you can use Recycle and then load the files into Dr Rex. You can also use your wav files and run them through Melodyne and then load them into the NN19 Sampler. If Vst Plug-ins are your thing then, you can always use the Rewire function with your favorite DAW and plugin away. After you’re done with a track you can aslo export it to wav and use your favorite DAW or something like Adobe Audition (used to be Cool Edit pro), SoundForge, Wave Lab and import your song and use any VST plug-ins your heart desires. I am buying Reason 4 today. I don’t care about the price. The power of “Thor” compels you! It will be worth every penny of my hard earned money. Reason Kicks assssssssssssss!!!

  24. I’ve updated this page with more videos and info about (now released and available) Reason 4. The videos are basic introduction to the new devices and were all recorded by Propellerhead Software. If you have more info, videos or other stuff related to Reason 4 please contact us!

  25. I like this app, the price is agreeable when YOU SELL only! So what about the mess of busses and VSTi to activate or sorta what-the-f**-canNOT-find Steinberg issue? R E A S O N rule…
    OK, it’s still a bitty lonely DAW, needs a lot of mastering correcting section, but IMHO it’s the best ekectronic scratch pad all over the world.

    I mean: ol’skool trackers were the 1ST Gen. of audio apps, then the pace was done by Propellerheads Rebirth.
    The market section was developed to catch this REASON: the only minus is that it’s too closed with no VSTfx
    inserts 🙂

  26. I DUNNO, I DIDN’T READ EVERYBODIES COMMENTS, BUT AS CONCERNED AS EVERYBODY IS ABOUT WHICH PROGRAM IS BETTER WHY DON’T YOU JUST USE REWIRE AND RUN REASON AND CUBASE TOGETHER. I KNOW ALL YOU GUYS KNOW ABOUT THAT. I MEAN I’VE BEEN WORKIN’ WITH REASON JUST A COUPLE OF YEARS MAKING RAP BEATS AND IF I WANT SOMETHING ELSE GOIN’ ON THAT I CAN’T DO ON REASON (WHICH RARELY OCCURS) I JUST DO IT ON MY TRITON THROUGH CUBASE OR WHATEVER! I MEAN WHEN YOU REALLY BREAK IT DOWN IF YOUR A GOOD PRODUCER YOU’LL MAKE GOOD MUSIC …

  27. Most musicians use two programs when creating music. One for quickly getting ideas down and the other for getting to some serious business. Reason is good for quickly getting ideas down but you cannot get down to serious business for several reasons, 1. you cannot record into it as it is not a DAW, 2. The sequencer is not powerful enough to get down to serious business and 3. It does not use VSTs. Therefore almost no successful musician uses Reason alone unless their productions are mainly sample based. They usually ReWire it with Cubase SX. Cubase and Reason make a great combination. Cubase & Ableton’s Live make a great combination. There has not yet been a single program that combines powerful music creation as well as ease of getting ideas down quickly. If you know of one, do let me know. Reason by itself doesn’t cut it. I bought Reason and they still kept the same lame mixer, still cant use VSTs and still cant record into it. I have PC so Cubase SX Rewired to Reason is the best choice for me because I like that Reason gets ideas quickly, so I Rewire to Cubase to get down to business.

    To be honest ALL DAWs and music creation softwares have their pros and cons so this argument will go on until the end of time because it comes down to personal preference. If I had a MAC I’d be using Logic. I really like that program. Some are better for getting ideas, and some are better for getting down to serious business so two programs are usually needed to compliment each other. Just use what you prefer, make music and be happy.

  28. You know, I keep hearing Reason users claim “it’s easier to get ideas down in Reason than a complex program like Logic”. And yet nobody has ever given me a valid explanation about why they think that’s true. Personally I think it’s a load of rubbish perpetuated by people who don’t have a clue about how quickly and easily you can get ideas down in Logic.

  29. For me it’s all about sound quality, about getting stuff sounding good in the mix, getting my bass in your face and my drums in your belly and ears.

    I don’t give a fuck about what other people think about this software and this other.

    You need to use what you’ve got. I like Reason because it’s a powerful composition tool and you can rack up many instruments and create a good mix. Of course, it is not a complete program – it’s a synth, a drum machine, and a sampler – and you have other options to complement this.

    That’s why you have Logic, Cubase, ProTools – these are meant to be Workstations on which you record audio, load your tracks and do final production. They can be composition tools, but then why do so many people ReWire Reason into them? ALL of the people who use Reason (Beastie Boys, Prodigy, etc.) create their tracks in Reason and load them into ProTools for final production.

    If you complain that Reason is a bad program because it is not a “complete” program, or if you complain because the factory sounds that come with it sound like a freaking casio keyboard, then all I can say is that you are too LAZY to find out what a tool’s potential is. You probably want to unpack the thing and have it make the music for you. The truth of the matter is that no software will make you sound like a pro, and if you rely on the sounds that came with the software, you will sound like the software. Why do so many professional producers and musicians use Reason? They have tons of money and they can buy ANYTHING…

    Come on people, are you fucking serious with this stupid conversation? Let’s listen to some of your tracks and see if they’re any good. Real musicians wouldn’t even be whining about reason vs. logic vs. cubase… this whole deal sounds like “my dick is bigger than yours”.

    Get a fucking life!

  30. [quote post=”32″]Real musicians wouldn’t even be whining about reason vs. logic vs. cubase… [/quote]

    Oh please, what a load of crap. That’s like saying people who are into IT don’t compare Windows vs UNIX, or real photographers wouldn’t care about the differences between Adobe Photoshop and Corel Paint Shop. Or, for that matter, that professional builders will use any old drills, hammers and saws. Bullshit! If you really care about what you are creating then you will take an interest in the tools available for your craft.

    Why don’t you write to the editors of all the music magazines and tell them to “get a fucking life” and stop comparing different music programs?

    I notice you’re yet another person claiming “Reason is a composition tool, Logic isn’t” while completely failing to give any real examples to back that up. :-/

    [quote post=”32″]Let’s listen to some of your tracks and see if they’re any good[/quote]

    Lots of people have linked to their tunes, try clicking on them dumass 😛

  31. I have been using reason for 3 years now. I start off using cakewalk and various plug ins, I was even using sound forge to make synth sounds and then using a sampler to play them. It was horrible, the music I was making sounded like crap. I herd of cubase tried it out. Cubase to me seems like an over hyped, corporate bs program. Every were I go I see CUBASE 4.x or whatever. Man I used cubase before ableton, the program sucks. Plain and simple. Half the vst’s out there are junk too. The only ones worth anything are the ones you pay for. And thoes them self can be more expensive then the DAW or Reason. (eg. Waves is a great VST tho).

    I have also found DAW’s like ableton, and cubase to be rather choppy with synths and what not. They tend to use alot of resources. Mainly because your running like 10-20 different programs made from different companies that all have different requirements. When alternatively you could use 2 maybe 3 in my case.

    Reason 4. For the music, Ableton for recording if necessary (rewire) and Waves for mastering (honestly waves is the best IMO).

    The quality of the stuff I have been doing, well lets just say that there is a new show coming out were the music I made for it is going to be blasted all over the world. (BIZ KID$) check it out.

    But that stuff doesn’t matter. I know a kid who is still using Impulse Tracker (talk about complicated) and he makes some really killer sounding stuff.

    The main thing is find what you like, DON’T hate others for using something you can’t figure out or think is stupid, and just produce!

    I think Reason 4 is awesome, however their was a polysonic synthizer out way before reason4, however thor is much better than the vst ever was. I believe it was released by NI I can’t remember what it’s called but it’s pretty cool.

    Reason will always, be my weapon of choice when it comes to music, the others just fill in for things that they can add to it. Reason rocks, plain simple truth, deal with it.

    Peace.

    -Bizz

  32. I realize I’m late to comment, but I just wanted to mention that it really doesn’t matter what you use, at all, especially if its just a hobby. I have a friend who’s been a musician for 12 years, and he makes some sweet tracks using hammerhead and audacity along with a guitar and delay pedal. Find a sound that makes you happy, and then go with it. One of my favorite artists produced his first few albums with an 8-track cassette player and a Roland SP-202 (Dr. Sample). Maybe I’m weird for being into lo-fi though.

    I also want to say that I use reason with a Novation ReMOTE SL, and I don’t even need to listen to anyone elses music, because I can keep myself entertained just making my own, and I’ll never need another tool to do so. In my opinion that’s what Reason is all about.

  33. Ryan said in 1 of the post above that i dont think anyone answered and I’m after the same answer

    “Can you edit accapellas in reason i.e. cut them up and re-arrange them like other programmes?”

    All i can find i can do is edit the starting point of the vocal on 1 of the knobs in NN19, but this only goes to a certian point (which isn’t far).

    I want the vocal to start somewhere in the middle but i can’t seem to edit it to there, it just plays as 1 seemless track ‘grrrrr’.

    Any help/advice whould be great!

  34. Sorry Introspectiv, I forgot to answer.

    I would think the best way is to take the acapella into Recycle and cut it up. Then bring it back into Reason as a Rex file. At that point you can use midi to trigger the individual samples.

  35. Well this topic has alway’s intrgued me! I have been producing for about 3-4 years now and i decided to get Reason 4 lately but something keeps saying in the back of my head “These sounds are really old”, there all pretty much like 80’s LO-Fi sound, which really buggs me. I can only make Psy/Goa Trance, Electro and some Tech House tracks woth Reason as Reason 4 really lacks ‘melody’…Maybe it’s just my ignorance or the fact that i haven’t really messed about with all the filters, Lfo’s etc much? I’d really like someone to tell me i’m wrong as i adore Reason’s classy look and Rewired into Live work’s a beauty! I was kindda considering getting Cubase aswell!?!? Also could someone tell me what VST’s i can use to get nice Chilled Melodic Trance synth Leads/Pads? Thanks Sam

  36. its not the size of your xxxx, its how you use it!

    LOL

    no seriously though, as people have already mentioned, its the end product that counts…and in this case the end product is the music. You can defend your software and say one is better than the other, or one is better when used with another blah blah, but at the end of the day, if the music you ultimately come up with is shit…then no software in the world is going to save you

    having said that, i <3 Reason 4.0! =D

    and to show u guys just what its capable of, check out my productions at

    http://www.myspace.com/anmolpinto

    oooo yea! =P

  37. [quote]if the music you ultimately come up with is shit…then no software in the world is going to save you[/quote]

    Sure, software will never be a substitution for talent. But likewise if you do have the talent then it makes sense to pick tools that make your job easier and give the best results. You would never have upgraded from Reason 3 to Reason 4 unless it offered you something that the earlier version didn’t.

    A bad workman blames his tools, a smart workman picks tools that help him get the job done quicker and better.

  38. For starters the music (Programming side) i make is very good!!! But the sounds let me down those shitty mini moog sounds and those Raw, Acidic synth leads which fails my end product the way my music sounds dated. And if i had the money i would experement with various DAW’s! But i just wanted to make the music i like without being critisised for commenting trying to get a decent responce in an aera for me means the most to me. I do appreciate some of it but i didn’t have Reason 3 before, i just liked the way everything was layed out! Is there any decent Trance Refills for Reason??? My last chance as i have sat since my last comment and edited the pre-made patches on Thor and even trying to combine all the Sawtooth and Waves to make a new sound it just doesn’t work, weather that’s my programming fault i don’t know.

  39. Sam,

    When I first started using reason which was the original version, I thought the same thing…these sounds aren’t good, this thing stinks…weh, weh, weh….I realized that there are good refills, you have to search them out and pay for them or download them from reasonfreaks or from reason’s website….Also I’m not sure how long you’ve been using it but, keep trying to learn more about the engineering of it….how to hook things up and things like that, i’ve learned a lot from reasonfreaks.com, gearslutz.com, propellerhead.com and speaking face to face with other producers….It could be a number of reasons why, but I do feel you need a good library of refills, which I do have and I mix and match and never not have enough samples to experiment with….search more for refills that suit your style as well….Look for 24-bit samples instead of 16-bit…things like that, you may start to end up getting what you are looking for….No one said that music production would be easy…you have to struggle before you get anything accomplished….

    If that doesn’t help your reason sound at all, de-register the product and sell that shit on ebay, because maybe it’s just not for you….keep in mind guys like prodigy, beastie boys, bloc party, evol intent, dj babu, a guy called Gerald…and the list goes much farther on in every genre…..None of that matters unless it “works” for you…and keep in mind, these guys use it as a music production “Tool” , not really as their main DAW…The reason DAW is not that powerful, but if you rewire it to the more powerful DAWs like Logic 8, Cubase 4, Nuendo, Pro-tools…etc..etc…. and combine those daws with maybe a couple more “tools” like the vst/au’s from Native Instruments for example (Kontakt is dope)….

    Hope this sort of….steers you in a positive direction….It’s an endless ocean of software and hardware that all costs money…so learn how to save your money and make sure you buy something that will take you a step further with your music…good luck…

    Currently I’m working on some dubstep and it’s working out just fine on Reason 4….The combinator can be leathal if you learn how to operate it and automate it…..

    Peace,

    M. Progression

  40. Wow, this discussion rocks! I am looking for something to get started with, hobby for now. I wasn’t sure what to get because I need something that’s easy to learn AND produces quality music I would be proud to play at a party with 10k people (who knows 🙂

    Because of this thread, I’m going to get Reason with the intention to learn a heck of a lot… and find “my sound.” If/when I feel I need to ad to it to fine tune my sound, I will look into it… but for now I’m excited to get started.

    *** I do have one question: How do I know when I need to get refills… how do I know when the sound I want can’t be created with what’s included in Reason? Also, where is the best place to find refills? (I know, that’s two questions but oh well.) I plan to create mostly breakbeats with DEEP, rumbling bass lines and various hooks… Stanton Warriors come to mind… Crystal Method too.

    Okay, sorry one more q: Do I need a MIDI keyboard? If so, what’s a good one to start with that isn’t crap but isn’t a million $ either.

    Thanks! E

  41. Eric,

    I am glad you don’t listen to the “uber techno purists.” Reason is a great learning tool and will teach you a LOT. Especially if you buy a tutorial book or take lessons.
    My advice is to stick with the stock sounds at first. I say this because trust me, you can get wrapped up in downloading and trying out refills and after weeks you still havent made any music. You will know when you need to branch out. Usually this is when you find yourself playing around with individual sounds trying to get something new. First learn how Reason works, do some tutorials, and then when you start looking to make beats, go out and find some refills.
    Also! There are a lot of terrible refill packages out there. Best thing to do is download a bunch and then install 1 or 2 at a time, checking out each as you go and deleting what you dont like.

    As for gear there are 3 inexpensive tools that I believe are must haves.
    1. BCR2000 rotary controller
    http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-BCR2000-BControl-Rotary?sku=701762&src=3WFRWXX&ZYXSEM=0&CAWELAID=26048393
    Simply amazing. The possibilities that this thing opens up are endless. There are other products out there like this, but for the price this thing cant be beat.

    2. Midi keyboard
    I like the Oxygen 8 for an inexpensive midi keyboard
    http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/MAudio-Oxygen-8-v2-25Key-Mobile-USB-Controller?sku=706310&src=3SOSWXXA

    3. Time, Patience, and an open mind.
    Yes that is 3 items, but they are all free!

    Tony
    http://www.3emptycans.com

  42. Hey Tony,

    That’s a very good advice regarding Reason … I totally agree with what you said. Thanks!

    Eric after you checked all the sound that comes with Reason, don’t forget to check our reason refills too. Reason is a really great tool with an unlimited sonic potential, it will not let you down 😉

    Cheers!

  43. Thanks M Progression for nice reply, yeah well this year we should belearning synthesism at college so i may hopefully be able to tweek those sounds. I guess i am just too impatient! I just want to sling out a couple of tracks a day but quality is quantity and i’m too lazy and just want all the sounds there pre-programmed 😛 but i really can’t wait too start learning synthesism at college!

    Anyway thanks very much for great reply Sam 🙂

    P.S. Are there any Reason 4 producers out there that make chilled Trance that can show me an example that i could be able to make with Reason?

  44. I was afraid I would be late to the party with this reply, but it seems this very interesting discussion has been going on for over a year!

    That said, I did read every comment, and would like to offer this…

    There are kind of 3 perspectives… Magnetic’s, everyone else, and the middle of the roaders. There is much truth to each side.

    I 100% agree with magnetik in that you can just as quickly lay down quick ideas in a traditonal sequencer (sonar, logic, cubase) *if and only if* you have a workflow that allows you to do so. I am a composer who writes music for short films, and a producer of hip hop and electronica music… my approach is wildly different for different genres.

    For me, loading up sonar to sketch out a quick violin theme is easy as pie. Fire it up, load the synth, and play. Just the same for electronica… load up stylus RMX, and within a few moments I can tap out a drum groove on the pads. However, I find myself prefering to use reason 4 for electronic music because I feel the working environment is better for it. In the same way some people can do homework in their dorm, but have to read books at a library… the enviroment is more ripe for certains tasks for certain people.

    Consider loading up a synth for a quick sketch in Sonar… insert stylus rmx, patach stylus rmx, insert albino 3, patach albino 3… considering stylus is an 8 gig app and albino packs a punch itself, it takes time to load and then i can lay a groove and melody. In reason, its self contained nature allows me to load a patch and play. So in that sense it is unarguably faster. Even battery 3 vs. redrum… it takes a little time to load a kit in battery… with redrum its nearly instantaneous. when I’m on the road, or pressed for time, those precious seconds I save sketching in reason add up to a lot. Still, I wont even consider using anything else than sonar for a sketch pad for orchestral music.

    but reason really is a powerful sequencer in its own right. the sound deisgn options in reason is out of this world… as a matter of rule, if I use a preset it is *never* stock, and more often I will design every sound I use (spider merger and splitter rocks my socks!). For me my reason workflow is such that I will compose an entire piece solely with reason, and then import each track as .wavs into protools, and add some extra sparkle with me RTAS plugs, and record vocals then.

    All in all, reason is another tool in my toolbox… I use Reason when I want a particular sound that only reason can deliver. I am lucky to have bought many of the sequencers for windows (FL8, Reason 4, Sonar 5, Live 6,soundforge, and recycle) which gives me unique options to approach each project.

    In the end, the operative word is “workflow.” when you find a combination that allows you to be creative, be it reason/rewire, reason alone, or reason and later another sequencer, or whatever… stick with it until you can no longer evoke creativity. Many a producer still use the mpc… now IMHO, battery 3 and a sequencer is FAR more powerful than an MPC could ever be… and in all honetsy, it doesnt require a lot of cpu power if you think about it…. load up one instance of battery 3 with all of your samples on it, and record audio (ie. triton, fantom, or motif) into your sequncer of choice, and you essentially have a very common hip hop/electronica setup! that requires a pentium 4 and 512MB of ram to work effectively, a computer monitor much easier on the eyes for sequencing, and softsamplers offer far more power and versatility than a hardware smaple ever could. Still many swear by the MPC… its like a religion… all comes down to your desired workflow.

    my $0.02

  45. Thanks ShadowRaven124 for yur contribution to this tread. Since my last post i have found a few Reason Files on the internet which i have managed to Remix and start learning synesism (Befor college starts). But so far i am starting to appreciate Reason 4 and the powers which so many spoke about!!! I’m now considering getting FL Studio 8 and Rewiring it into Reason (Visa versa). I must say though that first preset in Styrus (The stings one) is great! It sounds so pure, anyways thanks everyone who has helped me forward…Also now i am building my patients to sit there and experement with Reason! Oh before i go anyone out there which can help me getting some nice Electro Trance Sounds and nice fine Trance strings? Thanks Sam

  46. DAW and Reason are not the same thing at all. Reason is fun to write music on. DAW are good if you want to be a recording engineer and sit and stare at your nice ,clean lanes of blank digital tape.

  47. [quote]DAW and Reason are not the same thing at all. Reason is fun to write music on. DAW are good if you want to be a recording engineer and sit and stare at your nice ,clean lanes of blank digital tape. [/quote]

    LOL, what are you talking about? DAW stands for Digital Audio Workstation.

    From Wikipedia:

    “The term generally refers to computer systems which have high-quality external ADC-DAC hardware, and some form of audio software; some of which is commercial proprietary software such as Cubase, Nuendo, Logic Pro, Pro Tools, Adobe Audition, SADiE 5, Sony Sound Forge, Samplitude, Soundscape, SONAR, ACID Pro, FL Studio (formerly Fruityloops), Ableton Live, Tracktion or Digital Performer”

    So explain how Reason on a PC is not a Digital Audio Workstation?

  48. ShadowRaven124 said:

    [quote]Consider loading up a synth for a quick sketch in Sonar… insert stylus rmx, patach stylus rmx, insert albino 3, patach albino 3… considering stylus is an 8 gig app and albino packs a punch itself, it takes time to load and then i can lay a groove and melody. In reason, its self contained nature allows me to load a patch and play. So in that sense it is unarguably faster.[/quote]

    Sure, but the likes of Cubase and Logic allow you to set up templates with your favourite plugins and channels set up exactly the way you want. Logic’s channel strip presets mean you can set up a channel with multiple effects, bus settings, EQing, plugins and patches etc. with a single click. It’s no quicker to get ideas down in Reason than a program like Logic.

  49. [quote]Sure, but the likes of Cubase and Logic allow you to set up templates with your favourite plugins and channels set up exactly the way you want. Logic’s channel strip presets mean you can set up a channel with multiple effects, bus settings, EQing, plugins and patches etc. with a single click. It’s no quicker to get ideas down in Reason than a program like Logic.[/quote]

    This is good and true, but the same can be done in Reason jut as easily. Because the refill format is proprietary, it is coded in such a way to increase CPU efficiency. There is no question that a reason soundbank loads faster than a Traditional DAW. Not to say that setting up templates on Logic, Cubase, Sonar, or Pro Tools is difficult… in fact, I have a multitude of templates for different situations with Sonar, Pro Tools, and Reason. Also, if you’re doing a sketch, you may not necessarily have a templae with the necessary synths loaded up. My point is, I think in terms of getting certain ideas down in certain genres, Reason is faster than traditional sequencers (but not as fast as FL Studio with stock instruments).

    And Reason most certainly is a DAW. Any application that allows for the digital manipulation of audio is a DAW. In Reason, this is primarily done through NN-XT. Reason really is HEAVY on the Workstation part of the acronym… it is really a computer version of a super duper powerful keyboard workstation… like a Roland Fantom of Yamaha Motif. Where Reason still comes up short (maybe Reason 5???) is the lack of a dedicated internal audio recording. If it had that, I think it could give Ableton Live a run for its money!

  50. Im reading all of this trying to figure out what I need to sequence synth and drum tracks, as well as record live guitar/vocals over the top. The idea is a two piece where where the guitars and drums will be played live, with other tracks ( bass, synth, etc) pre-recorded in whatever program(s) I end up getting, the triggered using a MIDI controller,…I guess. Initially I’ll want to write original drum tracks until I can get a live drummer to fill in for shows. Does anyone have a system outline to do what I want above?? Budget is about $1,000 or so….

  51. [quote comment=””][…] Does anyone have a system outline to do what I want above?? Budget is about $1,000 or so…. […][/quote]

    Based on this thread and my personal experience, I’d recommend Ableton Live, Reason 4, and a MIDI controller keyboard. And since you are mostly recording live performances, then your main program would be Live. The way you can record and loop things in the moment with Live, really gets the creative juices flowing.

    As much as I love Reason, you won’t be able to record straight into it so it’s actually the most expendable part of this system in your case. However the more electronica and rhythm loops you do, the more Reason would be a must-have. And if you were just going to compose with your mouse and MIDI keyboard, Reason is the only thing you’d need.

    I’ll also add the use of Cool Edit Pro LE. It’s just a light little program that loads up fast and let’s me record and normalize audio, and I can easily splice my recording to loop perfectly and then I import the audio into Live or Reason NN-XT. Whenever I’m jamming on my Fantom X synth and start doing something that needs to be remembered, I hit Cool Edit, it’s up in 2 seconds and I’m recording. I just got it as bundled software but it’s become a main part of my work flow. It’s so simple it’s perfect.

    Have fun!

  52. all u guys that don’t like reason cuz it will not record and all that…well duhh, its not a recording program its use is to make beats. wtf would you need it if your recording live anyway. face it no beat program compairs to the accessabilities and creative edge you can put on anything your doing. if you dont like reason then you dont like being in the studio because it can do anything a BEAT MAKING studio can do. when you wanna record lyrics, make a sample, or if your in a band use another program and rewire. go to my music page and then tell me reasons no good. peace!

  53. Styles, don’t take this the wrong way but your music is hardly an example of Reason’s “beat making” capabilities. You don’t even need Reason for such simple beats, an old tracker program or hardware drum machine would do the same job. Besides, there’s nothing about Reason that makes it any better for beat sequencing than other sequencers in the same price range, or even some of the free ones.

    As for recording in, you make rap music; surely you’d want to record lyrics directly into your music app? Reason costs as much as the likes of Logic Express or Cubase Studio which have recording capability so why shouldn’t Reason do this too? IMHO Reason fans are being short-changed by Propellerheads. They need to come up with something special to compete in today’s market. Look at all the extras Cubase users got in the free upgrade from 4.0 to 4.1.

    http://www.steinberg.net/en/products/musicproduction/cubasestudio4_product/cubasestudio4_features.html

    I see Reason being used more and more as a glorified plugin rewired to other sequencers than as a stand alone application.

  54. Reason 3 rewired into pro tools with stacks of plugins, what more could i want? Composing in reason is quick, intuitive not to mention fun fiddling with patching round the back (makes me feel like i have a very well set up and expensive studio). Mixing in pro tools with some of the best plug ins going round (this is where i have spent all my money – the cost of reason is minimal in comparison) takes that recognizable reason sound and turns it into what ever sound i want.
    Don’t need to look anywhere else. Now have to save for Reason 4.0

  55. Like I said before, Reason’s design is more like a virutal workstation, along the likes of the Fantom, Motif, or Triton. However they uniquely used a virtual hardware rack as a means of creating and manipulating sounds. Personally, I prefer to make the foundation of the song in reason, and export it as individual audio files of the song, and then continue to work on it either in Sonar or Reason. If I had my way however, I’d completely make tracks in reason. The synths in Reason have a lot of tweakability, and Dr. Rex is incredibly fun to play with with vocals. It has a very unique sound and it’s incredibly fun and inspiring music making tool… perhaps reason 5 will give us recording capabiities!

  56. magnetik,

    ohh you have much to learn. simplicity is wut the half musically educated listiner hears, i got no clue what you do??but fineu hear it like that. now if you listined to wild out i agree i could make that beat with anything to a certain extent, but i make my own noises with reason, also say i want a noise to change delay, decay, attack, get louder or quiter, ect. in a section, i simply press record turn the knob or level and then it records my actions. i can automate anything as well as edit anything (as you would w/ music notes in many beat making programs) so the levels will move by them selves. that goes for anything soloin a track, eq ANYTHING. there is not a rap, techno, whatever, beat out there i can’t make with reason, try me. there is nothing you can do with any other program other (than record live) that i can’t do with reason, try me. i want you to prove reason isn’t worth it. and tell me what is worth it. i have pretty much mastered reason and i would like you to attempt to challenge reasons potential. [email protected] don’t just be all talk

  57. magnetik,

    i just checked your page out and after findin the noises you have used and making your simple loops i could take your tracks to a whole nother level. i don’t see how you think your tracks aren’t simple, why cuz they’re fast? i’ll be waiting for my reason challenge. im bored today.

  58. a-styles:

    I never claimed that my music used complex percussion. My speciality is melodies, not drums. My point is that if you want to show off any program’s drum sequencing potential you should use something like Drum ‘n Bass as an example, not rap.

    All that talk about recording automation makes me laugh. Sequencers like Logic and Cubase were doing that over 10 years ago. 😀

    [quote post=”32″]there is nothing you can do with any other program other (than record live) that i can’t do with reason[/quote]

    Let’s see, can you do live mixing with the elegance of Ableton Live? Can you warp audio the way you can in Live or Cubase? Can you modify the inner workings of the sequencer as you can with Logic’s environment? Can you create a truly unique modular synth as you could with Reaktor? Can you load third party plug-ins? Can you use DSP cards, or multiple sound cards at the same time? Can you freeze channels? Can you import video and synchronize your music to it? The list goes on and on.

    Claiming that Reason can do anything that any other program can do is incredibly naive! Every music app has its own unique features. Your automation comment makes me wonder if you’ve explored any other application in depth. Somehow I doubt it.

  59. magnetik ,

    your right i haven’t explored in depth near as many programs as you. i looked for the one with the best ratings and one people left and right told me about and bought it. honestly i don’t have time to buy all these other programs and play around like you, thats not very productive. but i know for a fact that you haven’t explored reason’s depths because half of the things you stated that it can’t do it can. but i keep coming back to the same point reasons not for videos or any of that shit its for making music. logic is off the chain as well i just don’t use it because im using reason…ok. and about complex percussion??? i guess when i say beat i throw you off, i mean record, full song. i mean ur melodies, everything. back when you said reason is a glorified plug in your exactly right. why use several different things to compose a track when all you need is one thing. i don’t even know why i got into this with you. i surely have more of a life then this. good luck in your music career and hopefully u’ll become a music cridict or something because it seems you have alot to talk about rather then get to business noticing all your comments on this page. i got music and money to make though, again good luck. peace.

    p.s. you got my email if you want to challenge me in anything but i wont be on this site again, i doubt ill hear from you though. you really don’t want none ill murder u in a beat battle with REASON.

  60. LET ME BE A LIL MORE DETAILED WITH MY RESPONCE

    Q: Let’s see, can you do live mixing with the elegance of Ableton Live?

    A:not sure wut mean, but live mixing YES thats wut i was saying with the automation in the mixer levels. and with my m audio project mix, i can do several channels at once. thats wut i just said in my last mesg. wtf

    Q:Can you warp audio the way you can in Live or Cubase?

    A: Of course, you just can’t see the wave. nm i have cubase linked up with rewire if i just have to visualize which is funny

    Q:Can you modify the inner workings of the sequencer as you can with Logic’s environment?

    A: duhh have you ever used reason

    Q:Can you create a truly unique modular synth as you could with Reaktor?

    A:YES, have you ever used the thor??try me

    Q: Can you load third party plug-ins?

    A: No but reason has several racks that can pretty much do anything any plug in could offer me. once again try me

    Q:Can you use DSP cards, or multiple sound cards at the same time?

    A: Now tell me why would i need to do that? really. we’re still talking about composing music not recording right??

    Q:Can you freeze channels?

    A: YES, explore why dont you

    Q:Can you import video and synchronize your music to it?

    A: thats wut the music video producer does not me, and yes i could in my recording program but theres not many producers in the industry who make movies to their beats….. ????

  61. [quote]
    Q: Let’s see, can you do live mixing with the elegance of Ableton Live?
    A:not sure wut mean, but live mixing YES thats wut i was saying with the automation in the mixer levels. and with my m audio project mix, i can do several channels at once. thats wut i just said in my last mesg. wtf
    [/quote]

    I said Live mixing, not a live mixdown. And no, Reason cannot do live mixing like Ableton Live. In fact, no other sequencer comes close to Live for live work.

    [quote]
    Q:Can you warp audio the way you can in Live or Cubase?
    A: Of course, you just can’t see the wave. nm i have cubase linked up with rewire if i just have to visualize which is funny
    [/quote]

    Wrong again. Reason has nowhere near the audio manipulation capabilities of Live or Cubase.

    [quote]
    Q:Can you modify the inner workings of the sequencer as you can with Logic’s environment?
    A: duhh have you ever used reason
    [/quote]

    Of course I have, d’uh! Can you build a virtual controller for a hardware synth in Reason like you can with Logic’s environment?

    [quote]
    Q:Can you create a truly unique modular synth as you could with Reaktor?
    A:YES, have you ever used the thor??try me
    [/quote]

    Thor is SEMI-modular and doesn’t even begin to compare to Reaktor.
    http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=reaktor5

    [quote]
    Q: Can you load third party plug-ins?
    A: No but reason has several racks that can pretty much do anything any plug in could offer me. once again try me
    [/quote]

    Oh really? Tell me, where’s the plugin that does what Dblue Glitch or SoundBytes Effectrix can do? I’ve seen people try to get the same effect in Reason. It takes half an hour to make a poor imitation in Reason of something that takes two minutes in Glitch. Where’s the reverb rack in Reason that matches up to the likes of convolution reverbs like SpaceDesigner or Waves IR-1? Where’s the rack item that can compete with Antares Autotune? If Reason’s racks are so good why do so many Reason producers import their tracks into sequencers like Logic or ProTools for final production and mastering?

    [quote]
    Q:Can you use DSP cards, or multiple sound cards at the same time?
    A: Now tell me why would i need to do that? really. we’re still talking about composing music not recording right??
    [/quote]

    Um, I guess you didn’t look up what a DSP card is. 😀 Look at the Powercore ones, for example:

    http://www.tcelectronic.com/PowerCoreConcept.asp

    [quote]
    Q:Can you freeze channels?
    A: YES, explore why dont you
    [/quote]

    Really? Why don’t I see any documentation about that?

    [quote]
    Q:Can you import video and synchronize your music to it?
    A: thats wut the music video producer does not me, and yes i could in my recording program but theres not many producers in the industry who make movies to their beats….. ????[/quote]

    You’re thinking backwards, I’m talking about making music FOR video. There are loads of producers who make music for TV series, movies, adverts etc.

    I’m not going to bother to respond to your challenge because it is pure nonsense. A few sounds with Reaktor combined with effects like Glitch and SpaceDesigner would be impossible to imitate in Reason. If you had explored other programs you’d know that and realise just how ridiculous is your notion that “Reason can do anything any other program can”.

    You say you don’t have time to explore other apps. Well, maybe you should try thinking a bit differently. A few hours invested in learning a different program could save you countless hours in the future.

  62. And to all the people in the Reason vs. Every other Music App battle.

    WHO CARES WHAT APP YOU USE…..

    They are all good. Seriously I have made cool tracks with pretty much all of them. I know people who have released tracks using everything from $200k studios to Fruity Loops. Yes, Fruity Loops.

    If you don’t have talent, NONE of these apps are going to work for you.

    If you DO have talent, ANY of these apps will work for you.

    Reason is a GREAT app if you want to learn how a studio works. It has one thing that NO other apps have, the tab button, which allows you to see the back of the virtual rack and get all crazy with the wiring. You can do some really cool circuit bending stuff (virtual) using Reason. It will teach you how real hands on machines work, and then something that trust me is WAY better than a real studio, you can click a button and save how everything is loaded. Sure, Reason is not the end all be all of music apps, and I’m sure that there are plenty of talentless hacks who can spend all day writing on blogs how much better other apps are. Does it really matter?

    I went from using a bunch of old analog gear to using Live and Reason for 2 reasons:
    1. Noise. It is almost impossible to get noise out of old studio gear.
    2. User Presets. I can load a file and get right back into a song I was working on 6 months ago. Next to impossible when you are running real TB, TR, and analog keyboards/mixers.

    Fact is…… With Reason AND Live, you really don’t need anything else. The 2 work together beautifully, and can do basically anything you can think of.

    Thats it. End of mass-debate. Now go make some music.

  63. [quote comment=””][…] I’m talking about making music FOR video. […][/quote]

    OMG, Reason doesn’t do something that it doesn’t claim to do. Who would have thunk it?

    [quote comment=””][…]Oh really? Tell me, where’s the plugin that does what Dblue Glitch or SoundBytes Effectrix can do? I’ve seen people try to get the same effect in Reason. […][/quote]

    A-Styles was wrong. You can’t do everything with Reason. However, can’t you link Reason up with Cubase and use whatever Plugins you want in Cubase?

    There really is no application that will do EVERYTHING. You have to find the ones that work for you and use them. Reason has its strong points. And what magnetik doesn’t realize is that not ALL users are supercalifradulistically advanced like magnetik. Reason fits that mold of being extremely powerful, yet pretty easy to use. It also isn’t that expensive considering all that you can learn using it. Once people find a barrier, they move up. Most likely, they move up to an app that can let them link to Reason, so that they can still use that tool. Even if they don’t, they will still gain a pretty good understanding of how a studio works. Something that most, if not all other applications lack.

    Regardless if you are a superproducer like magnetik, or joe schmoe who wants to just mess around playing with tracks, you just need to find what works for you. I have found that Live and Reason are a simple yet powerful combo.

    I became a joe schmoe after about 8 years of playing with studio gear. I don’t want to deal with the music industry and all the schmucks in it. I make music to have fun, and do not care one iota if anyone else likes it. A couple hours a night, sometimes week (grrrr work) I come home, fire up the apps, and throw some stuff together. Later I go in and toy with the tracks a little more. I’m not going to make money off my music. I don’t really want to. Because I’ve figured out once you have pressure and time constraints, it just isnt a hobby any more, it’s work.

  64. A couple of thoughts…

    you CAN add third party synths to Reason… this is done via ReFills made my third Party companies… Miroslav Philharmonik for example makes an orchesrtal ReFill that kicks the snot out of NNXT’s Orkester.

    You definitely can NOT do live mixing in Reason. It’s support for audio is much like an MPC… it will only take samples in the NNXT or NN19 or ReDrum or Dr. Rex. Personally i like chopping samples with ReCycle and putting the slices in Dr. Rex to make beats better than using a turntable and mpc… thats just me.

    Thor is one of my favorite new synths. it is not reaktor, but its not supposed to be. Very musical, easy to manipulate sounds, and sounds GREAT and PHAT and THICK.

    I don’t understand why you hate Reason so much magnetik, and your argument is misplaces because i think everyone agrees Reason is not the silver bullet sequencer, evidenced by the fact just about EVERYONE who posted on this board uses Reason *and* something else.

    To Andrea***

    There are a couple of things you can do. all options involve some preparation, but in the process you may come up with some creative ideas.

    Method 1 – in your audio editor of choice (I use soundforge 9 for example) you will want to break down the vocals into parts. Set your audio editor to snap to the grid if it has the ability, and cut the vocal into phrases. in a typical song, a verse is 16 bars, so thats 32 phrases. A hook is typicially 8 bars, so that is 16 phrases. The number of parts cannot exceed 128 parts, since that is the maximum number of keys on the piano (there are still work arounds, but now we’d be getting complicated.) Map each part onto a key in the NN-XT sampler and you can “play” the vocals on a keyboard, or draw them in the midi not editor. You can do really cool voice chopping this way, pan each key for special FX, as well as a slew of other options.

    Method 2: as i mentioned above, ReCycle and reason make a DANGEROUS combination for vocal remixing. The idea is EXACTLY ly method one, except, ReCycle does all the hard work for you! Simply let ReCycle automatically find slice points, or manually put them in, snapping to tempo. You can timestretch vocals as well as change the pitch. Save as a REX file and load it into Dr. Rex, and it will automatcially assign each slice chromatically to the keyboard. now you can “play the vocal line” again, you can do some cool FX in the processes along with the chopped vocals sound.

  65. Tony and Magnetic,

    ur the man tony. thats all. magnetik ur cool too lol. i just didn;t see how anyone can hate on reason ya know. but tony if u read up more i know reason cant do everything, my first comment i wrote was simply explaining how people should quit bitching about stuff and get up with rewire. i do use cubase as well pro tools when im in other studios with. but tony ur right u can either make good music or not. when i started i used a $100 drum machine, $25 keyboard, and a old 4 track recorder. i did the whole tracks live all the way threw and people digged the shit outta it, which inspired me to keep moving. thats why i do what i do now because its about the music. really i don’t get into everything your talkin about magnetik too much. my beats ussually get separated and sent to an engineer regaurdless when they’re going on a track. i modify the beat to however it is in my head or however someone wants something. im just a composer a beat man that uses reason and can make anything u could ask for and since thats the case i dont have one thing that reason can’t do for me. theres tons of ways to do different things people ask me to or things i hear in my head. and reason allows me to do so, thats why im in the position i am today. i used to use fruity loops which was the jam but the guy who builds my cp’s put reason on one of my old cp’s a couple of yrs ago and i haven’t heard a bad thing about it from any industry producer i’ve talked to. and after giving it a try i agree.
    if theres ever something that i feel just isn’t possible to make in reason or cubase then i guess i’ll be contacting u magnetic, for references on the next best, until then im waiting on reason 5 and making club bangers and whatever i feel like. good luck to everyone and their music career. and remember what tony said it doesnt make a difference what you use just make music! be sure to CHECK OUT MY MYSPACE PAGE JUST CLICK ON MY NAME!! peace!!

  66. i have read this entire string and can’t tell y’all enough how much this has been enlightening to my cause … i am in transition from gear to software and it is clear to me now that Reason is step 1. Ableton will prob be step 2. LOL – anyone wanna buy some hardware ???

    “music is life’s soundtrack”

  67. before i rant: respect to those offering sound advise, we noobs need and appriceate your time…
    but… i came to learn a lil bit about reasons capernbilities…
    wow, what a bunch of whining little fags.
    im well late to the reason 4 arena. (ive been using f88kin’ music2000 for about 10 years)
    and even tho i understand only 1\2 of it just yet, i can still knock out a decent albeit raw minute or so in a few hours that at least shits on the demo track.
    this suite rocks the house in.
    if you dont like it, don’t fing buy it. (or even if you do, rip the twat off! only took a few days to hack!)
    get off you concieted high horses and stop bitching like hairy school-girls whilst name-dropping every little p.c. ref. to tech-savvy that you may have learned in the brief periods between eating haribo off the floor in your room at you mum’s house, and angrily beating your button mushroom to fat boy slim.
    in case it isn’t obvious enough… magnetdick… you.
    im sure its obvious by your aggresive tone, lack of compassion, emense ego and blatent insecurities that you are a no-talent, tone-deaf PC-geek with no freinds and no chance of becoming anything. full stop.
    go back to your paper round (im aware that you’re probably like 38 (with awful BO)). as this is where your abilities and usefulness as a lifeform ceases to be.
    cunt.

    PS i dont give a shit: yes i ripped the software off. boo fuckin’ hoo.
    PPS dont bother responding magnetdick, no-one wants to hear your self richeous arse-munching anymore, also im never coming back here, so save it!– im going to bed now to ave it lage withmy bird. something you wouldn’t know twat-all about.
    you knob-jockey. 😛

  68. sukmyrokit:

    Wow, you really are full of presumptions, and quite full of yourself for someone who’s taken 10 years to learn half the features of Music2000. Come back when you’ve matured a bit and have grown up enough to take part in an adult discussion.

  69. [quote comment=””][…] wow, what a bunch of whining little fags. […][/quote]

    sukmyrokit has a point. However he still gets the complete douchebag award. Grow up and stop talking like a 19 year old wigger or hoodie as you probably are referred to. “beating your button mushroom” I mean seriously, are you retarded? “im going to bed now to ave it lage withmy bird” I guess that means you are going to go have sex? Based on how intelligent you seem in your post, I bet she’s a real catch. I think maybe you should get some manners and stop posting stupid rants on websites. Maybe, possibly, you wouldn’t look like such fool.

    Have fun playing with your ripped copy of Reason. I’m sure we will be seeing you hit the top of the charts since you mastered music2000, whatever that is.

    PS I’m cool because I buy software because I’m not poor.
    PPS dont bother responding, because uh I’m heading out to do something mundane that no one really cares about.

  70. i’m just wondering…how can make a very good songs clip…i realized the sound is very fantastic…but i have to learn it always…and i wanna ask…hwo if i make a song with a midi controller,without a latency?..thx b4

  71. Lemon,

    I’ll answer this in reverse order… When using a midi controller, there will always be a degree of latency, the question is how noticeable will it be. Latency is measured in milliseconds. Personally I can maintain a great deal of accuracy at 10.3ms, even at fast tempos, but ideally you want to get down to as low as you can, somewhere betwen 1ms to 6ms.

    Latency is determined by your audio interface, not the MIDI controller. To adjust latecny, check your buffer settings on your audio interface. Buffer settings are measured in Samples. The more of a buffer you use, the higher the latency, but better CPU performance. Conversely, the smaller buffer you use the lower the latency. Ideally you’ll want to set the buffer around 128 or 256 samples for the least latency. However, low latency requires a fast CPU and a decent amount of RAM. If you notice dropouts and noise during playback, you will have to increase your buffer to a size your computer can handle. Unfortunately that can mean that you may not have a desireable latency on an older computer no matter what you do.

    One more note about latency is the drivers you use. Most everyone use ASIO (audio stream input/output) drivers if you’re using a PC because it is desigined to offer low latency. Windows Driver Model (WDM) drivers are a bit more stable than ASIO but has a higher latency. Windows PCs also have Kernel Driver Model (KDM) which is god awful slow and should never be used for audio production if you have a choice. If you use a Mac it is a bit simple, they use a format called Audio Units (AU) which is built into OSX and is about as fast as ASIO.

    Regarding your first question, I’m not sure what you mean. Clipping is a bad thing — that means you overloaded your input, which causes distortion. I’m going to assume you meant mastering. That is a whole beast in of itself, so I recommend putting an M Class Mastering Suite above you mixer so that it automatically routes to all the tracks below it. Play around with the presets and see what they do. []

  72. I have been recently playing with reason now, and recently became a new beta tester for Propellerhead. For about six months having a pirated copy of reason to be able to listen to my old doom midis remixed that took more than an hour to fully finish my remix. After I went through the beta wait I got Record. This app adds voice and Line 6 Devices to the game. A few days ago, they have came out with beta 6. There are three modes to use it. One is demo; this is where you can make a song and do whatever you want with it, except open a song or export your song to WAV. The second is online authorization, to get this you have to “find” a bug. The third is their USB Dongle, which is unavailable at this moment. When I go to use online mode, it turns off the reason devices. Because how great Reason 4 is with some one who hasn’t even used a real mixer, or even something beside a Casio Keyboard who doesn’t even have midi cables, I feel like actually buying reason with the money; I believe this is phenomenal. I do feel bad for spreading a copy of Reason around to all my fellow students at Brookville High School, in the USA. This app is easily understood to people who have never made music in their life or have only seen a keyboard. If your are a young 16 year old that DOESN’T UNDERSTAND ALL THE KNOBS, like me, this doesn’t really matter for the song sounding crappy, because it will more than likely end up sounding like crap in some way after being converted to LOSSY AUDIO LIKE .MP3, .WMA, OR .M4V. SINCE THESE ARE THE COMMON FORMATS, WE MUST CAVE TO THE POOR QUALITY.

    I don’t have advanced equipment, except for my father’s Creative Sound Blaster Audigy 2 (money is hard to come by.) All I can usually use is an internal sound card in a laptop or a practically a shitty Turtle Beach Santa Cruz that oddly has drivers for Windows 95. I often use Reason 4 and Record from my 16 GB SanDisk Cruzer, which oddly doesn’t give my problems moving PC to PC, except that I need to install ASIO4ALL. So in the end, I am only limited to my resources to use it on. The only drawback using the flash drive is that I often need the original ISO when moving to another PC never used.

    P.S. Who ever said Reason doesn’t work on slower PCs are WRONG!!! I ran Reason 4 on an old P3 with 600 MHz. The only drawback was that I was only able to test one device at a time.

  73. Thread’s still going strong. Quick post, here.

    *raises hand* I am a user of Propellerhead Software’s Reason 4 – started on 2.5 – and quite like it as a sort of “integrated solution” for track-making – at bare minimum, for foundation work. I’d use PTLE on top of this to record vocals/other instruments if necessary (-very- rare for me), but otherwise have become used to Reason’s interface enough that it’s my go-to app.

    I’d like to get Record, as it’s the same familiar interface, and I can try throwing Pro Tools aside, but I’d need an Intel box in order to run that app. And, is it just me, or does Reason 4 run like a dog on the G4 compared to the Intel release? Friend had an Intel Macbook (Black) with Reason 4 that ran the same project at around 50% on his laptop, whereas mine maxed out completely and stopped playing…

    I -might- break down, build an inexpensive small-form-factor PC that I can stick into a rack with a couple outboard synths (Yamaha MOTIF-RACK & Korg X3R) that I have… Not a huge Windows fan, but eh…

    Mobile rig:

    iBook G4 13″ 1.33GHz 768MB RAM, 250GB HDD (yeah, I shoehorned that drive in.. PITA)
    Reason 4
    Ableton Live 7 LE (crippled, non-Rewired version)
    PTLE 7 w/ MBox mini
    Shure SM58
    AKG Perception 200
    Audacity
    Novation X-Station 25 (extra synth sounds & controls)
    M-Audio Radium61
    Korg nano-series (pad and kontrol only)
    Yamaha MG10/2 mixer

  74. Dan, you really can’t compare a G4 with a recent Intel powered MacBook. Since you’re clearly a Mac fan and are looking for a small form factor machine I’d suggest you get a Mac mini and give GarageBand a go for your recording.

  75. I haven’t tried Record and probably won’t. There are more interesting new products on the market, such as Presonus Studio One which seems far more advanced and functional for $150 less than the price of Record.

    IMO Propellerheads are bringing too little to the table and far too late. No doubt they will always have their hard-core fan base but without innovative new products they are becoming increasingly less relevant in the audio market.

  76. [quote comment=”43390″]I haven’t tried Record and probably won’t. There are more interesting new products on the market, such as Presonus Studio One which seems far more advanced and functional for $150 less than the price of Record.

    IMO Propellerheads are bringing too little to the table and far too late. No doubt they will always have their hard-core fan base but without innovative new products they are becoming increasingly less relevant in the audio market.[/quote]

    Is the main issue the price of Propellorheads software, or do you think that as far as audio production goes, Reason and Record are inferior products (I appreciate that you haven’t tried Record, neither have I for that matter, but I have Reason).
    Just so you know, I’m not here to have a dig at you as I see others have in many of the previous posts. I had a good read of this thread last night and was quite entertained (by your retorts!), but also curious about your view on Reason. For me, it was the first time I’ve encountered a very unfavourable view regarding such a popular product.
    I’m still a bit of a novice (imho) in terms of my audio engineering knowledge, although i’m fairly proficient with Reason, and that’s mainly because I found it a straightforward interface to get on with. I’ve been around people working with Cubase, but never quite got to grips with it myself, although lately I’ve been able to produce some simple projects using it.
    At the moment I’m considering what DAW to purchase as I recently bought an iMac. Initially I was going to buy Record, but now seeing what has been mentioned on this thread i’m in two minds as to whether to buy Logic instead.
    I’m going to check out this Presonus Studio One and see what that’s about.

  77. [quote comment=””][…] it will be useful thing to have something like a list of all reason refills that were created for Reason 4, integrating also sounds for the new THOR synthesizer or the new devices RPG-8 and ReGroove. If you […][/quote]

  78. [quote comment=””][…] it will be useful thing to have something like a list of all reason refills that were created for Reason 4, integrating also sounds for the new THOR synthesizer or the new devices RPG-8 and ReGroove. If you […][/quote]
    Hey Guys…and gals. Iv’e just installed Reason recently and completely new to this game and so I have very little to comment on thus far. I do play guitar and for sure will miss not being able to use Reason ro record dirteclty. Anyhow, Can anyone help regarding refills?
    Once I install them into the reason file and open them within the program, they all apear empty! File size indicates there’smeat in there but no file’s to be had and I’m getting hungry…
    Any help appreciated.

  79. [quote comment=”1930″]I disagree with your comments about value. For $400 Cubase Studio 4 comes with 47 plugins. Logic Express gives you 6 synths and 40 effects plugins for only $300. Also, saying that Reason is the full version and not a “lite” version is meaningless. The difference between the full and lite versions of products like Logic are features such as Dolby surrround sound mixing which the average user isn’t going to need and don’t come with Reason anyway.

    If you use Reason to “complete” other sequencers then it’s still not competitive value for money. Reaktor 5 costs $120 less than Reason and will give you 37 plugins to add to your sequencer. Plus, using Reaktor you can build your own synths, effects, step sequencers and so on and download plugins that others have made.

    As for Reason offering possibilities that no other software can achieve, that is completely untrue. Fully modular environments like Reaktor and Synthedit give the ultimate in flexibility and creative scope.[/quote]
    [quote comment=””][…] it will be useful thing to have something like a list of all reason refills that were created for Reason 4, integrating also sounds for the new THOR synthesizer or the new devices RPG-8 and ReGroove. If you […][/quote]

  80. ok first of all>>> if u need a billion synths great I can make any synth in reason sound like any vst dont care what it is i have a little phatty MOOG and i swear>>>i did a blnfold test with my buddy and he barely could tell the differance>>>2nd the routing options is rediculous>> the favt you can route CV and also split CV is rediculous>> and how u can flip the rack over and do whatever the hell u want If you have skills then Reason is GODS GIFT to music producers i have pro tools 8 AND Ableton live> doesnt matter i mix down in pro tools if i need to> thre is absolutely no arguement here if you are unexperianced then >>ya Reason mite seem like a begnner tool or whatever>> if u need a billion vsts the great> i find that either building my own effect chaind in reason perfect>>>if i need something i cant get>>>i simply rewire into ableton and process further The trick is to USE YOUR OWN SAMPLES load some vintage analog samples (find em everywhere) into the NN_XT and you have a monster that sounds freakin great ok thats all i haxd to say RESPECT TO EVERYONES OWN OPINION

  81. listen RECORD IS THE SHIT>>>BOMB>>AWESOME>>> think about it it is integrates into Reason> Has ALL of the tools to recordsound designand mix>>and pre master just as good as anything else DAW wise i have Pro tools 8 and LIVE and im still getting record the SSL mixer is rediculous with the routing on every channel>>>and a gate<expander<fat eq> i would get record buddy since u use reason>>>IM TELLING YOU u can achieve professional results you just have to know what you have at your fingertips anfd how to use it>> i would also buy Live save up get both Its nice to have as an xtra tool peace

  82. wow u have no compassion at al from your comment you have your opinion and thats ccol>> i respect that l (maybe you were just pissed that day>>its all good>>) anyhow im not hating just making a judgement on your long winded complaint but to each they”re own>>> right? ok peace n greasy beatz

  83. lol

    Some serious heads in here…

    And I only wanted to learn more about Warping… maybe Neptune will be able to do it, maybe I’ll need to upgrade my Live Lite 8… and since I’d like to be able to do film score this may be what I’ll do next, but what do you care, you don’t know me ha ha…

    A friend gave me a cracked copy of Reason 3. I loved it, so bought Reason Record and they are giving me a free upgrade to 5 & 1.5 – don’t get me wrong, I am against cracked software, except when you honestly use it as a sample to make a decision as to whether or not you want to part with your hard earned pennies. In my case there was no doubt. For many of the ‘reasons’ stated in this long (pushing 3 years) and at times heated debate. To me, whether or not you’ve spent serious time in a studio (which in my case I had) Reason/Record enables people to feel like they have serious gear in their home. I also love tweeking imagining what Liam (Prodigy) was doing…

    Reason 3 didn’t do that well on my G4, but on a 2Ghz iMac with 4GBs of Ram Reason 4 Record 1.0.1 runs like a dream. I’m using Line UX2 and the Akai MPK88 and I’m laughing… you really can tweek audio in Record as much as you can tweek midi/synth etc in Reason…

    As I started out earlier today, looking for warping advice (and yes it really was a fair bit earlier) I’m going to ignore the heated areas of this debate and ask this to all those who haven’t retired by now… Which programs are people using to warp audio. I ask because I’m wanting to move transients of audio like say the individual strums of my recorded guitar and snap them or move them in time with the tempto (thats warping right?)… and to all the serious heads, if giving advice means you have to swear and point out any faults you may think you can derive from my few parragraphs, I say go and pick on someone your own size ;O)

  84. I have been using reason since version 3.

    It is good for getting bland ideas together really quickly. The extra features in 4.01 build are not really for me.

    I would downgrade back to 3.xx if it was not for the sound quality. The sound engine in 3.xx was not good enough for mastering. I had to spend hours mixing in other apps.

    In some ways I am stuck with this app till I can afford some hardware sampler workstaions I have my eye on and other software for the final mix downs.

    The latest version is a very stable and reliable app, but it just does not think outside of the box enough.

    The best feature for me within this app is the NNXT. I love this sampler. If it was not for this sampler I would have stopped using Reason years ago.

    The work flow is fiddly. You have to draw a box in a lane, then clickety click here, enter the box, then edit your notes, then clickety click out. In reason 3 it was just so much easier to edit the notes.

    I can’t even be f**** with Record and Reason 5, I prefer audacity for just being able to play with the audio, and it’s FREE.

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